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Gartner: Students passionate, not quite out of control

By Colleen Gartner

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Published: Friday, October 30, 2009

Updated: Friday, October 30, 2009

There has been a lot of ruckus about sportsmanship, arrests and foul language lately.

Other than throwing food at the opposing team sitting in the stadium, the craziness is just about equal to any big NFL game.

Of course, an NFL game usually has an audience that is more willing to listen to halftime entertainment, but the shout of Raider Power over the Aggie band wasn’t as successful as the speakers were.

Let’s face it: curse words are part of the dictionary. They are part of the English language. Not that it would be a shame not to use those words, but the words are not hurting anyone.

Everyone knows it is all good fun and those offended can keep walking. Sometimes overhearing it can be unexpected and uncomfortable, but the words are not going to come up and tackle anyone. We just don’t do those things here.

Of course, “fighting words” can lead to a scuffle, but a fight would end up occurring with or without those words. It is up to us to keep those words all in good fun. Smile or shake hands with the opposing team players or fans. Make it clear you have no intention of making it a one-on-one. It is also important to observe replacing words in the songs is more about carrying the tradition down than inciting hate.

In addition, freshmen and sophomores attend a majority of the games, so no one should feel intimidated. They are fresh out of high school and easy to spot on campus. Most freshmen guys here would not win a fight against a senior Aggie or a senior Red Raider. It is not out of the question, but it is still difficult.

Besides, our mascot totes not one but two handguns around. At the first sign of mass trouble, I seriously doubt I’ll be the only one hiding behind the mascot. Seriously, the mascot has got it going on the only way West Texas knows how.

As much as we would like to think football is a family sport, it is a physical sport. Going to the game is not the same as watching it on TV or listening to the radio, and no one should expect it to be. TV and radio have censors; reality does not. Families with children should keep all of this in mind and buy better tickets. There are sections with very calm adults or alumni that exist for a premium.

However, if you are willing to pay a lot for tickets to prevent your child from hearing words he or she probably has already heard at school, I would have to recommend leaving the kids at home. This is a Big 12 football game, not a neighborhood soccer game.

As for reputation, that does not necessarily come from game behavior. Those who come to visit also visit the buildings, the bars and the neighborhoods. Off-campus parties are always large and well-stocked. Visitors end up coming for the party rather than the game. RaiderGate is a great way for Texas Tech to monitor partying on campus, but in the end Tech has little or no control over the off-campus partying. Acceptance of this fact is the key to a cooperative student government.

I may seem lenient on much of this, but I do draw the line somewhere. Occasionally, I’ll sit next to a girl who curses and it will become fairly graphic. She may be the sweetest student during the week, but will go completely nuts in the stadium just to impress her friends. Don’t succumb to peer pressure. If you don’t want to do something, don’t do it. That goes for anything and everything, even if it means walking out.

I would much rather see the university work with the students as they venture off-campus, like it has with SafeRide and NiteRide, than try to crack down. More than 57,000 people attended the game, and fewer than 15 people were arrested on the premises. Even though we tend to be just as passionate about our team as other teams are, most visitors do not feel the need to wear a cover shirt. That in itself says something great about our school.

Comments

10 comments
feaco
Mon Nov 2 2009 10:14
The problem with the fans can be traced to the school administration. I was horrified when Texas Tech hired Bobby Knight, the most despicable coach in college sports, They hired him for one reason, to win, and his history made no difference. There is nothing honorable about that. Then your Chancellor Kent Hance hired Alberto Gonzales, the most despicable man in the justice del; department under W for a ridiculous salary to teach nothing.

Tech is getting what it deserves. If you want the fans to act decently at football games, the administration needs to act differently and set an example worth following. Perhaps one day, Tech will return to being a repected school in the Big 12, but not under its current administration.

Nathan
Sun Nov 1 2009 01:04
I agree with S Holmes that booing Taylor Potts is not right. He was hurt. I wish that he had played better. It's not his fault, if he isn't as good as predecessors. I disagree with her claim that contemporary students are more immoral and vulgar than students in her day. Perhaps she was the the exception among her peers.

Colleen Gartner's column is makes valid points. Older persons should sit in the adult sections, if they want to elude juvenile comportment. I still smile years later when I remember a game which Texas Tech was losing badly when I was a student. Most attendees had been gone a long while. There were two elderly ladies in front of me and my date. We had a flask, whose contents prompted us to be animated. One of our drinks accidentally splashed the back of one of the elderly ladies. Her repeatedly turning sideways to try to brush off the liquid and to glower at us prompted us to laugh. That never would have happened to the poor lady if she had not been sitting with students.

Colleen Gartner
Fri Oct 30 2009 21:25
This has gone too far. I wrote this because I disagreed with the SGA making a ruckus about it. Sometimes I wonder if they cause drama just so they can reassert their existence. The point I was trying to make was that we say things just like any other school, but we draw the line. We DON'T let it control us. We DON'T let it resort to violence like other schools do. I promise A&M and UT are not only crazier/more dangerous, but has just as much or more cursing. Yeah, we could all prefer if certain words were not said. However, let's be real. It's 2009. This is a college campus, and some kids party more than they study. A football game, no matter what stadium in whatever city you go to, is not going to be the same game as it was twenty or even forty years ago. Also, throwing things (food or objects) in the stadium is not allowed. Those who exhibit that behavior are escorted out.

Was it wrong to boo Potts when Potts is on our side? Potts certainly wasn't doing what we had hoped him to do at the game, teamwork or no teamwork. Sheffield has previously stepped in on games, and has done well for himself in that short period of time. We simply have a house divided, not an unloyal fan base. Football, at the end of the day, is entertainment. The players originally did it for fun, and just happened to take them somewhere. Mike Leach has done a wonderful job trying make their futures shine brighter, but he can only do so much. If a player cannot consistently perform on the field, then his future may need a rewrite. I wish every Tech player was among the best of the best, but that's just not possible. Every team has a weak link somewhere, and that day the crowd felt that Potts was a weak link. Easy target? Maybe so.

I'm sorry to break it to you, S. Holmes, but there really are people who come all of the way to Lubbock from another part of Texas just to party. I don't party, and I don't curse at the games. However, I consider both to be a choice rather than a societal requirement. That is the difference between our generations.

By the way, I appreciate the feedback. I enjoy hearing different perspectives. If I feel that something needs to be elaborated upon, I will not hesitate to do so. If you have any more questions or concerns, feel free to send me an e-mail. Community comebacks have a population of zero through that form of communication.

Just for you S. Holmes, I'll restate that last paragraph formally: I do invite electronic mail. Also, from what I understand about the 1950s, keeping matters private is a much more appropriate fashion to go about correcting someone else, especially when there is plenty to say. Based on my inbox, your peers know that better than you do!

Thank you,
Colleen Gartner

R
Fri Oct 30 2009 21:09
Ok, I missed one during my edit. No values, no courtesy, no pride, no class is the way it is. It started in the 60's and has ended in this. You said, "I know, part of your perception is your lack of education about history". I doubt that is the case, and you are dead wrong about that fact. It took a long time to get to this point, and this is not the place to start a long discusion of all the ways it took for this country to get to this point. The fact of the matter is we are here at this point now. We now live in a society that has an extreme case of ADD. Do not get me wrong. I agree with much of what you have to say. Just do not shoot the messenger because she tells us that the emperor has no clothes.
Your name
Fri Oct 30 2009 20:27
Ah, yes, R. You talk of glass houses and stones. Yet you categorize anyone who was young in the 1960s as being hypocritical and self-absorbed. (The word I think you may have been looking for is “disrespectful,” rather than “disrespectable.” But then again, it’s hard to guess whether you know the difference.) I grew up in the 50s, a time when kids were rebellious, but not unruly, for the most part. By the 60s and early 70s, I was a contributing member of society, not a druggie, war protestor, or bomber, as many characterize youth of the 60s. (I know, part of your perception is your lack of education about history.) But throughout the ages, a truth is still a truth: Being young does not give anyone license to be crude, crass, and clueless. Respect has been replaced by self-absorption and personal entitlement for much of your generation. Note, I don’t attribute this to all of you. Just the ones who exhibit the kinds of behaviors seen in the stands at Tech games lately . . . and those who believe it’s the right way to behave. We old folks are fortunate. We won’t have to deal with the culture (or lack of it) when these kids are running things. And that’s all I have to say about the matter!

S. Holmes

R
Fri Oct 30 2009 19:23
It was her purpose to cause controversy, and she has succeeded. I have very rarely ever heard her cuss. For what ever reason, TTU could not beat TAMU. Too bad. Football is a team sport. As for you, S. Holmes, be careful when throwing stones in a glass house. Your hypocrisy may have no limit. You must have been young at some point in your life, and by the date of your graduation (the 60's) one of the most self-absorbed, disrespectable period of our history. Give me a break!
Georgia
Fri Oct 30 2009 18:54
Honestly, the rules regarding fan behavior should be posted for passionate students and faculty alike or at least announced before the game begins. As the case for audience members and fans at NFL games, it is strongly discouraged for people to use profanity while rooting their team on. It's one thing in your own home but it's completely another in front of other people and families, some with young children. If Tech wants to be treated with respect and honor football as a professional sport, then fans should show respect and good sportsmanship towards the opposing team and follow the golden rule.
Adult female
Fri Oct 30 2009 18:18
This girl’s opinion column exemplifies the lack of civility and decorum of far too many of today’s young people. No values, no courtesy, no pride, no class. It is appalling that Tech fans would treat one of our own so callously. It may be expected that fans might even be rude to the opposing team, although the profanity shows lack of ability to express themselves intelligently. (Foul language is not tradition.) But for these students to attack our own quarterback, who was playing hurt and with little protection from his own line, or benefit of a defense against a determined opposition, is beneath contempt. Honey, this wasn’t “adult” behavior, but the worst kind of juvenile schoolyard bullying that should have been left behind a long time ago. I’m ashamed of you kids. Too bad you don’t know enough to be ashamed of yourselves. Miss Gartner, you have no clue as to why most people attend Tech football games. It isn’t for the party. The kind of student fan behavior exhibited recently will surely cut ticket sales to those who pay the big bucks so you can have a reason to party. Grow up.

S. Holmes
Texas Tech graduate 1962

LS
Fri Oct 30 2009 13:27
This letter is disgusting!
SO
Fri Oct 30 2009 10:46
agreed!






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